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    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 7 Week 6: Italians vs Vikings

    October 23, 2019

    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 7 Week 6: Italians vs Vikings

    Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 7 Week 6: Italians vs Vikings

    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 07:04 AM PDT

    Yo dawg, I heard you like water civs

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    Hello and welcome back for another Age of Empires 2 civilization match up discussion! This is a series where we discuss the various advantages, disadvantages, and quirks found within the numerous match ups of the game. The goal is to collectively gain a deeper understanding of how two civilizations interact with each other in a variety of different settings. Feel free to ask questions, pose strategies, or provide insight on how the two civilizations in question interact with each other on any map type and game mode. This is not limited to 1v1 either. Feel free to discuss how the civilizations compare in team games as well! So long as you are talking about how the two civilizations interact, anything is fair game! Last week we discussed the Malay vs Portuguese, and next up is the Italians vs Vikings!

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    Italians: Archer and Naval civilization

    • Advancing to the next age costs -15%
    • Dock techs cost -50%
    • Fishing Ships cost -15%
    • Gunpowder units cost -20%
    • TEAM BONUS: Condottieri available at Barracks
    • Unique Unit: Genoese Crossbowman (Anti-cavalry foot archer)
    • Unique Unit: Condottiero (Fast anti-gunpowder infantry, built at Barracks)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Pavise (Foot archer units +1/+1 armor)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Silk Road (Trade units cost -50%)

    Vikings: Infantry and Naval civilization

    • Warships cost -15% in Feudal and Castle Age, -20% in Imperial Age
    • Infantry +10/15/20% hp in Feudal/Castle/Imperial Age
    • Wheelbarrow and Hand Cart free
    • TEAM BONUS: Docks cost -15%
    • Unique Unit: Berserk (Heavy infantry with slow hp regen)
    • Unique Unit: Longboat (Swift galley that fires multiple arrows)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Chieftains (Infantry +5 attack vs cavalry)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Berserkergang (Berserks regenerate 2x faster)

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    Below are some match up-specific talking points to get you all started. These are just to give people ideas, you do not need to address them specifically if you do not want to!

    • So for 1v1 Arabia, Vikings would appear to have an edge simply due to their more powerful economy. Both are archer civs, but both lack relevant military bonuses for archers themselves (although Italians do get Pavise in the late game). Is there any point here where Italians can put up a fight against Vikings?
    • Of course, the obvious point of discussion here is water maps. Both are easily top 5 water civs, but have a very different set of strengths. Italians are going to be a solid pick in almost every situation, as they can fish boom, up quickly for aggression, and possess an incredibly versatile tech tree for any amphibious attacks. Meanwhile, Vikings are much slower to get up and running, but the power of the Longboat and discounted docks/warships means that Vikings are really hard to stop if they can safely make it to mid-Castle Age. In which situations would you favor one civ here or the other?
    • For team games, both of these civs are very powerful flanks, if not quite at that top tier. Their relative strengths are pretty much the same as 1v1 Arabia, but in the context of team games, Italians look much better than they do in 1v1s as team games tend to go much longer, and you have the support of your pocket(s) in a pinch, allowing Italians to get to a deadly late game of gunpowder/arbs/bbts. Vikings, however, are much stronger in the early-mid game, but really drop off in post-Imp. Who do you favor on flank here?

    Thank you as always for participating! Next week IS OUR 100th WEEK OF DOING THESE DISCUSSIONS WTF!! The lucky civs to be discussed as determined by RNGsus will be Malians vs Mongols. Hope to see you there! :)

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    Previous discussions: Part 1 Part 2

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    My trebuchets every time assaulting enemy town

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 09:51 PM PDT

    When world history uses Age of empires to explain Manors/estate .

    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 02:38 AM PDT

    Hong Kong Nomad-like map. Looking for feedback as I want to start making more custom maps for the game. I hope you have fun with it! Link in comments.

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 10:21 PM PDT

    I play for the fun of it all

    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 01:36 AM PDT

    am i the only one?

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 10:35 AM PDT

    What does AOE2 do better than modern RTS games such as Starcraft 2?

    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:40 AM PDT

    I am currently an SC2 player but With DE coming out soon, I am thinking about switching over. I grew up with AOE and I would love to start playing the game somewhat competitively. In what ways is AOE2 better than SC2? How would you persuade someone to play this game rather than a modern RTS like SC2?

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    Congrats to the recorded game database for passing 1 million recorded games (only started collecting games in May)!

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 06:43 PM PDT

    AOE2 GAME

    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 09:55 AM PDT

    AOE2 game on right now - Wrath of Genghis Khan, its a diplomatic scenario. All is welcome will probably have a couple of games tonight and tomorrow! All welcome IGN - Sniff Pipps

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    Can someone with AoE 2 HD play co-op/against someone who owns Aoe 2 Definitive Edition

    Posted: 23 Oct 2019 04:38 AM PDT

    I'm confused regarding the available versions of the game. I want to gift the game to a friend who wants to play against his father (father owns AoE 2 HD - 2013).

    If I get my friend Aoe 2 Definitive Edition, will they be able to play against each other?

    submitted by /u/xlr8ors
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    What are some good AI to fight against?

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 07:56 PM PDT

    I need some suggestions on AI to fight against. I've already beaten brute force and resonance bot to death already. I want a really smart AI. An AI that can outsmart me, and does cool unique strategies. I'm someone who plays almost exclusively offline due to poor internet connection and a weak PC. I also have no friends and have a short attention span and sometimes can't finish games due to boredom, so AI are really the only way I can get my AoE2 hit. Any suggestions?

    submitted by /u/wowitskapow
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    Who is leppard / leppardeenio and why does everyone on twitch talk about him being top 10 and a possible contendor for best aoe2 player?

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 09:09 PM PDT

    I've been watching a lot of casting and aoe2 on twitch and I've heard on a couple of channels people talking about some guy who has trained under Memb that's taking the game by storm.

    I keep up to date with most of the major tournaments so i'm suprised there's someone in the top 10 I haven't heard of, is leppard like an alias for some Chinese player like Yo?

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    Connection issues and getting free wins on HD

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 02:26 PM PDT

    Lately I have got a lot of free wins on HD. When starting the game all my opponents have green pings. And while playing I don't have any lag issues. But then on some point the screen freezes and all my opponents disconnect and I get the win. Because of this my elo is almost 19+ while I should be 17+.

    I think the problem might me mine internet connection somehow. Any ideas how to solve this?

    Also, I am sorry if I played against you and this happened.

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    Somethings never change

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 09:50 PM PDT

    Historical mistake that doesn’t seem to be fixed in DE

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 09:47 PM PDT

    In the third scenario of Genghis Khan campaign, the Tanguts (党项) and HsiHsia (西夏) were basically the same faction in history. The red player should be better be corrected as Kara Kitai or Western Kitai, which makes sense both geographically and historically. However, this problem doesn't seem to be fixed in the released videos of AOE2 DE

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    Voobly and Steam

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 01:21 PM PDT

    Hi lovely people of r/aoe2,

    I was wondering about something. I was hearing a lot about Voobly and it being better then playing through Steam. I wanted to know if that's true (and maybe why). I'd also like to know that if/when I make the switch whether or not I'd still be able to play on Steam too, because my family+bf use that and won't switch.

    Thanks in advance!

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    AOE 2 WTF Moments Episode 3

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 10:34 AM PDT

    FC with sarcans

    Posted: 22 Oct 2019 10:37 AM PDT

    Is it wise to FC with sarcans and if it is not wise can you tell me how to play with saracans as I always get beaten by hard AI ?

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