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    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 9 Week 6: Lithuanians vs Malay

    June 10, 2020

    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 9 Week 6: Lithuanians vs Malay

    Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 9 Week 6: Lithuanians vs Malay

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 09:43 PM PDT

    Hooray! Another match up I am pretty sure I've never seen/played 11

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    Hello and welcome back for another Age of Empires 2 civilization match up discussion! This is a series where we discuss the various advantages, disadvantages, and quirks found within the numerous match ups of the game. The goal is to collectively gain a deeper understanding of how two civilizations interact with each other in a variety of different settings. Feel free to ask questions, pose strategies, or provide insight on how the two civilizations in question interact with each other on any map type and game mode. This is not limited to 1v1 either. Feel free to discuss how the civilizations compare in team games as well! So long as you are talking about how the two civilizations interact, anything is fair game! Last week we discussed the Bulgarians vs Indians, and next up is the Lithuanians vs Malay!

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    Lithuanians: Cavalry and Monk civilization

    • Start with +150f
    • Spearmen and Skirmishers move +10% faster
    • Each garrisoned relic grants +1 additional attack to Knights and Leitis (+4 attack max.)
    • TEAM BONUS: Monasteries work +20% faster
    • Unique Unit: Leitis (Medium cavalry whose already high base attack also ignores armor)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Hill Forts (Town Centers +3 range)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Tower Shields (Spearmen and Skirmishers +0/+2 armor)

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    Malay: Navaland Infantry civilization

    • Advancing in Age is +66% faster
    • Fish Traps cost -33%; provide unlimited food
    • Battle Elephants cost -30%
    • TEAM BONUS: Docks +100% LoS
    • Unique Unit: Karambit Warrior (Cheap, incredibly weak infantry that only takes up 0.5 pop)
    • Unique Building: Harbor (Dock upgrade that adds moderate defensive capabilities)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Thalassocracy (Upgrades Docks to Harbors)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Forced Levy (Swordsmen cost 80f instead of 60f, 20g)

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    Below are some match up-specific talking points to get you all started. These are just to give people ideas, you do not need to address them specifically if you do not want to!

    • Okay... theorycrafting time! For 1v1 Arabia, Lithuanians have a very strong start with their extra resources, but Malay will have the much stronger eco as the game drags on - provided they do not suffer damage due to their weaker early Feudal Age. Army comp-wise, Lithuanian cavalry + Monks + trash seems to me better than Malay Archers + Elephants + trash, although the former is certainly more expensive than the latter. What do you guys think?
    • On Arena, both of these civs are absolutely top tier. Malay Age up bonus allows them one of the best economies in the game, as well as possessing strong Archers, Monks, and infantry. Meanwhile, Lithuanians can go for a very quick Castle Age followed up by a Monk rush or a straight boom. To me, the onus is on the Malay player to deny relics, lest they get completely steamrolled in Imperial Age. How do you see this one going on clown town?
    • In team games, Lithuanians are just outside the very best pocket civs, as are Malay when it comes to flank civs. Lithuanians have all the devastating military options they need, but lack the persistent eco bonus. Malay meanwhile have an excellent eco, but are vulnerable to laming and miss a strong military bonus. Which civ do you think better serves their respective positions?

    Thanks as always for participating! Next week we will continue our discussions with the Berbers vs Saracens. Hope to see you there! :)

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    Previous discussions: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3

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    Life Pro Tip: write this into Launch Options. SKIPINTRO automatically skips the intro (duh) DEBUGSPEEDS allows you to speed up games 4x and 8x (single player)

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 02:31 AM PDT

    Just finished the Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, Attila campaign.

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 02:11 AM PDT

    Meme

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 10:44 PM PDT

    My favourite part of playing ranked...

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 02:51 AM PDT

    ... is the chatting to your opponent afterwards to dissect what's happened and offer congratulations/commiserations. I have had so many lovely post-match conversations with opponents, offering/receiving tips and asking questions about different strategies. (My ELO is around 1200)

    This is the friendliest gaming community I've ever found in ranked. I wonder if it's maybe because everyone is a little bit older, given it's a 20 year old game. No matter what it is, let's try not to lose that magic.

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    "Don't worry about my dogs, they're completley harmless"

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 10:53 AM PDT

    I finally recognized the May-hem mannequin pose!

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 06:16 PM PDT

    DMWC3 (Deathmatch World Cup 3)

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 07:40 AM PDT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XDtNYuwXxY
    Nili just released the trailer for the already started Deathmatch World Cup 3

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    I have achieved comedi

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 02:17 PM PDT

    AoEstats now also has stats on teamgames

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 04:48 AM PDT

    Wolves in AoE 2 are Sociopathic Monsters

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 06:55 PM PDT

    They stand in one spot for years on end waiting for a near defenseless villager to walk by when they suddenly make a beeline for her, ignoring everything else -even being injured itself- to go for the kill.

    If they do manage to kill her they don't get any sustenance from the corpse. They kill purely for the sport. Then immediately off to their next victim.

    These are demon dogs.

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    (Shitpost) Celebrating Viking-day, Berserkers should be given a +5 attack bonus against monks.

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 12:56 PM PDT

    When she asks about your hobbies

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 08:39 AM PDT

    Can we get an option to select which biome a map will be? Snow, desert, temperate, etc.

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 06:58 AM PDT

    Desert and snow maps hurt my eyes, it's too bright. I don't like having to constantly start like 3 or 4 games to find a temperate biome.

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    Hosting a charity AoE2 tournament/livestream this Saturday for the ACLU (details in comments)

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 11:02 PM PDT

    Italian players wanted

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 05:13 AM PDT

    Hey guys,

    I'm looking to find some Italian players, who want to play aoe2 and will let me practice my Italian. If anyone is interested message me and we can exchange details, cheers!

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    AOE2 DE HUD/UI Changes

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 04:50 AM PDT

    ive been watching viper and heras games and ive noticed they have set their control groups above the minimap and the minimap in the middle
    i was wondering how can i do this cause the control groups are in the corner and sometimes i forget i set them
    How to set that up

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    Arena tutorials

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 01:50 PM PDT

    Shalom guys. Recently i started a series on YouTube called Arena for beginners and i wanted to do some sellout and share it with you. I am doing a video to discuss every single civ in arena with build orders and strategies suited for each of them. So far we have 9 videos and i'm hoping to add 2 more every week till we get them all. You can find the full playlist here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7nUxQp-MGvvT-_wP1DqHsryTX3fzWXLz Sorry again for the sellout and i hope to see you in the next arena tourney Clown Cup 3 which is going to be announced soon.

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    Instant resingning?

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 01:23 AM PDT

    I just started playing ranked and out of my 6 games i had 3 times when my opponent resigned in a few minutes without chatting anything. Do you know any reason for that? There was no real score difference and i dont think i did anything to provoke that, most of the times i havent even scouted them. Pretty annoying since my real skill is way below 1000 elo and now my score wont go down and im stuck with playing 1000 elo guys who cripple my eco with their first wave of scout rush😀 should i also just instantly resing in a few games to lower my elo? Isnt that considered a dick move?

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    Using Trebs vs Rams vs BBC

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 02:01 AM PDT

    When do you use trebuchets, rams or bombard canon? What are situations where one is better than the others?

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    Can you spot the difference between Barracks being disabled and Archery Range being disabled? It shows the icon of Archery Ranges/Stables, but not Barracks and Palisade Defenses. Similarly noticed Trade Cart being disabled but visible and Crop Rotation being invisible. Can someone explain it to me?

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 01:20 AM PDT

    A question about build speed

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 04:02 AM PDT

    Hi all! So I looked on the wiki and couldn't get a definitive answer on this, what's the optimal amount of villagers to build a tower? A castle? Does building HP effect build time? If so would Byzantine buildings take longer to make? And how does the Spanish civ bonus of 30% faster build rate work if multiple villagers are assigned to one building? Even an answer to one of these would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

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    Game Freezing

    Posted: 09 Jun 2020 11:14 PM PDT

    Historically I haven't had any issues playing DE. But since the Hot Fix, every one of my multiplayer games freeze up - both ranked and un-ranked.

    The game doesn't say I dropped, or that anyone else has dropped... just freezes, and I have to quit the game in order to move on.

    Is it broken, or is it just me?

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    Can i build units without jumping with my screen to a building other than manually binding the building?

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 02:57 AM PDT

    Also is this procedure done (if possible), by pros?

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    Allow us to lock gates while they are still being built

    Posted: 10 Jun 2020 05:05 AM PDT

    Gate blocking a scout or drush and then having one vill stand too close to the middle or randomly path through it foiled too many mastapieces.

    If I was good enough to do it I would be very disappointed in my traitorous villagers

    Just give the gates the lock ability while building so it locks the gate directly when it finishes.

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