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    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 7 Week 4: Franks vs Teutons

    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 7 Week 4: Franks vs Teutons


    Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 7 Week 4: Franks vs Teutons

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 05:24 PM PDT

    Good thing I totally didn't forget to do write this post.... hahaha.... still technically Wednesday for me so I'm good! ;)

    Hello and welcome back for another Age of Empires 2 civilization match up discussion! This is a series where we discuss the various advantages, disadvantages, and quirks found within the numerous match ups of the game. The goal is to collectively gain a deeper understanding of how two civilizations interact with each other in a variety of different settings. Feel free to ask questions, pose strategies, or provide insight on how the two civilizations in question interact with each other on any map type and game mode. This is not limited to 1v1 either. Feel free to discuss how the civilizations compare in team games as well! So long as you are talking about how the two civilizations interact, anything is fair game! Last week we discussed the Britons vs Japanese, and next up is the Franks vs Teutons!

    Franks: Cavalry civilization

    • Foragers work +25% faster
    • Castles cost -25%
    • Cavalry units +20% hp
    • Farm upgrades free (require Mill)
    • TEAM BONUS: Knights +2 LoS
    • Unique Unit: Throwing Axeman (Heavy infantry with short ranged attack)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Chivalry (Stables work +40% faster)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Bearded Axe (Throwing Axemen +1 range)

    Teutons: Infantry Defensive civilization

    • Monks 2x healing range
    • Towers garrison 2x units; TCs garrison +10 units
    • Murder Holes free
    • Farms cost -33%
    • TEAM BONUS: Units better resist conversion
    • Unique Unit: Teutonic Knight (Expensive, powerful, but slow infantry)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Ironclad (Siege Weapons +4/+0 armor)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Crenellations (Castles +3 range; garrisoned infantry fire arrows)

    Below are some match up-specific talking points to get you all started. These are just to give people ideas, you do not need to address them specifically if you do not want to!

    • Okay so I am not going to say that Teutons are a better Arabia civ than Franks; but, in this particular match up, do Teutons have all of the tools necessary to deal with Franks? They are obviously slower, but is their sheer power of economy, defense, Monks, siege, and possible even Teutonic Knights enough to overcome the deadly speed of the Franks?
    • On closed maps such as Arena and BF, both civs are quite popular. Teutons have one of the best late games out there as well as the eco necessary to get there, while Franks also have a solid eco, and even if their late game army is less diverse, 192 hp Paladins that produce 40% faster is nothing to complain about. Which civ do you favor here?
    • Okay so Franks are obviously the better pocket civ in a team game, but for the sake of discussion, if you are unlucky enough to get either of these civs on flank, which is superior? Franks do at least have cheap Castles which can be great for pushing, and the same can be said of Teutonic towers.

    Thank you as always for participating! Next week we will continue our discussion with the Malay vs Portuguese. Hope to see you there! :)

    Previous discussions: Part 1 Part 2

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    PSA: Don't cancel the Spies research once you've started researching it...

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 05:33 PM PDT

    You only get back 200 gold, regardless of what it cost you (200 gold per enemy villager, with a min of 200 and a max of 30k). You could lose 29,800 gold!

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    AOE 2 DE possible historical battles

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 10:49 PM PDT

    I dont think there will be any historical battles, but if there was i think there are some great battles to be shown:

    Battle of Grunwald 1410ce

    Lithuanians vs Teutons

    Siege of Constantinople 1453ce

    Byzantines vs Ottomans

    Siege of Constantinople 717ce (this battle influenced the battle of Blackwater Bay in GOT) it has greek fire and a massive chain crushing the saracen fleet, and bulgarian cavalry rescuing the Byzantine defenders)

    Byzantines vs Saracens

    Battle of Ain Jalut 1260ce

    Mamluks vs Mongols

    1st Battle of Paniput 1526ce

    Tatars vs Indians

    Battle of Talal 751ce

    Saracens vs Chinese

    These are just off the top of my head, if there are any other better ideas and suggestions i would like to see a a discussion, even if historical battles wont appear

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    Why does everyone claim Voobly ELO = HD ELO + 200-300? I've been watching streams of Hera and Daut coaching 1600-1700 players on Voobly like this video and I feel these players are no where near 1800-2K on HD?

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 04:21 PM PDT

    Is HD ELO currently broken?

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 03:08 PM PDT

    Just played a handful of ranked games and everyone kept getting "+0" ELO at the end, regardless of winning or losing the game.. o.O

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    Problem HD to Voobly

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 09:30 AM PDT

    Problem HD to Voobly

    Hey guys,

    I am currently trying to get started hd to voobly using aoe tools, but I run into a problem.

    After the conversion I keep getting this message when trying to get into the voobly lobby. It says it needs 5 to 10 fixes, but it is still not working after 30 fixes. Could someone please provide me a step by step solution to my problem?

    https://i.redd.it/9fne1dd7ljr31.png

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    Best Mod I Ever Seen

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 09:14 AM PDT

    Age of Chivalry. Download it, and reexpirience AoE 2.

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    Should Mayan "Resources last 15% longer" civ bonus be removed in the post-imperial age due to new historical evidence?

    Posted: 09 Oct 2019 01:36 PM PDT

    New research suggests that the Mayans may have inadvertently caused their own demise by radically altering the climate.

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/ancient-mayans-created-their-own-climate-catastrophe-1800-years-ago/

    At the very least, this shows the negative impacts of clear-cutting on Yucatán. For the sake of historical accuracy this civ bonus clearly should be eliminated, at least in Imperial.

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