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    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 12 Week 11: Mongols vs Saracens

    August 04, 2021

    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 12 Week 11: Mongols vs Saracens

    Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 12 Week 11: Mongols vs Saracens

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 09:36 PM PDT

    Uh oh, here comes Ain Jalut!

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    Hello and welcome back for another Age of Empires 2 civilization match up discussion! This is a series where we discuss the various advantages, disadvantages, and quirks found within the numerous match ups of the game. The goal is to collectively gain a deeper understanding of how two civilizations interact with each other in a variety of different settings. Feel free to ask questions, pose strategies, or provide insight on how the two civilizations in question interact with each other on any map type and game mode. This is not limited to 1v1 either. Feel free to discuss how the civilizations compare in team games as well! So long as you are talking about how the two civilizations interact, anything is fair game! Last week we discussed the Berbers vs Teutons, and next up is the Mongols vs Saracens!

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    Mongols: Cavalry Archer civilization

    • Cav Archers fire +25% faster
    • Scout-line and Steppe Lancers gain +30% hp
    • Hunters work +40% faster
    • TEAM BONUS: Scout-line +2 LoS
    • Unique Unit: Mangudai (I don't think I need to explain this)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Nomads (Destroyed houses do not decrease max pop)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Drill (Siege Workshop units move +50% faster)

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    Saracens: Camel and Naval civilization

    • Market trade costs only 5%; Markets cost -100w
    • Transport Ships 2x hp; +5 carry capacity
    • Galleys attack +25% faster
    • Camel units +10 hp
    • TEAM BONUS: Foot Archers +2 attack vs buildings
    • Unique Unit: Mameluke (Expensive, powerful camel with short-ranged attack)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Madrasah (Monks return 33% of their gold cost when killed)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Zealotry (Camel units +20 hp)

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    Below are some match up-specific talking points to get you all started. These are just to give people ideas, you do not need to address them specifically if you do not want to!

    • Alrighty, two AoK classics here! For 1v1 on open maps, Mongols and Saracens both seem to float around upper-mid-tier. Mongols are all about early Feudal Age and post-Imp, and everything else in between is usually a matter of surviving. On the other hand, Saracens can hit some deadly timings of their own, although these tend to fall in early Castle Age. Can these, combined with their strong Camels, give the Mongols a run for their money?
    • On closed maps, again we find both of these civs rather situational. Mongols possess a terrifyingly strong late game, but even on closed maps, they can struggle to get there. Saracens, meanwhile, may not have quite as good a late game as Mongols - but it's still super good, and they can also boast powerful Monks and gunpowder. For Arena, BF, and Hideout, how do you see these civs matching up?
    • In team games, both of these civs can be a bit odd. Mongols have solid cavalry and a top tier late game, so you'd think they'd prefer pocket. However, their lack of midgame really puts them behind most strong cav civs, so I'd still say they are better on flank. Saracens as well, due to their deadly team bonus, are also more often seen on flank. How do you see these more off-beat civilizations fitting into a team composition, especially in a world that is so heavily defined by very specialized archer and cav civs?

    Thanks as always for participating! Next week we will continue our discussions with the Byzantines vs Spanish. Hope to see you there! :)

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    Previous discussions: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3

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    When I'm Hoang

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 04:18 AM PDT

    I just lamed...a mill

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 04:59 PM PDT

    Former 600 elo player here, just hit 700 elo. AMA.

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 10:48 PM PDT

    took a few weeks*, but I did it.

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    The memory consumption of AOE 2 DE dropped significantly

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 05:48 AM PDT

    Just noticed it in the task manager. Played a 4v4 game and at the end the ram usage was still under 2 GB.

    Players who had trouble running the game previously might want to try it again.

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    Where did all the viewers go?

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 12:17 AM PDT

    Where did all the viewers go?

    Several AoE2 players/streamers mentioned a decline in their viewership. This made me curious, and I decided to take a closer look. Details, explanations, and an attempt to find answers are here: http://dondinardoni.com/where-did-all-the-viewers-go/

    https://preview.redd.it/3wgt98c2laf71.jpg?width=730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b03339b29fcb5474c872821ff5f8d127dc948246

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    That one guy when everyone has been enjoying a nice 4v4...

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 03:49 PM PDT

    Is building trash units during early castle age considered bad?

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 05:21 AM PDT

    Hi, I'm kind of a new player to the ranked ladder of aoe2, currently around 1.1k elo. So I'm still learning the fundamentals of the game and as such, still watching and learning from guides and high elo gameplay.

    One thing I've noticed is that at least in really high elo 1v1 games, especially among pro players, players never build trash units during the early castle age, and usually never build trash units until imperial age or late castle age. Instead, players are consistently building only gold units. Either producing only crossbows, or only knights, or even both knights and crossbows (and depending on civ, camels too).

    From what I've seen atleast, during early castle age, players don't build skirms if the opponent is amassing crossbows, and never build pikemen if they are massing knights. High elo players would rather go for full gold-unit armies instead of building counter-trash units to the opponent's gold unit.

    I was wondering, would the reason be that building counter trash units to enemy gold units is considered sub-optimal during early castle age? And if so, why? When should I consider building a trash unit to counter the enemy's main gold unit?

    Thanks!

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    Month 1: Aztecs (Analysis in comments)

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 10:18 PM PDT

    We All Did This At One Point

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 03:10 PM PDT

    How do you win agains 100 militia dark age goths

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 07:14 PM PDT

    Today i played a match bulgarians vs goths (1045 ELO). He did an aparently standard drush and i did an MAA bulgarians foward, appartly everything was fine except dude had 30 militia when i started the MAA, so i said "okay fine, you can spam militia, i will wall resources, harrash you with some more maa and advange to castle. I did that, i defended my resources succefully and went to castle and he still was on dark age. One would say i have the advantage, WRONG. When i got to Castle he already had 60 militias still on dark age, and basically i couldn't do anything. My knights where decimated and he started to destroy everything into gg. So what would you do in my place, even if it is a rare strategy that probably won't see in another 100 matches?

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    Favorite casters? Or casters you learn from?

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 03:28 AM PDT

    Hey all,

    I watch a lot of AOE, probably at a point where I watch a lot more than I play 😂

    Curious to know what people think of the different streamers/casters? I enjoy watching: - survivalist (learn so much from his games) - t90, fun to watch - T90 + Dave (this is the best combo for aoe2 games without a doubt)

    I also watch Hera's YouTube content and occasionally watch MBL on twitch because he thinks more creatively than the other players imo. I could be wrong on MBL, but I find he tends to play the player and not the game, he's very interesting to watch. I also watched a Nili video that I used for my hot keys but not much more of him.

    Who are you watching? Where are you learning the most?

    Here's a few guys I don't enjoy:

    MembTV - a lot of people seem to enjoy him, I don't really enjoy his content at all, but some people seem to love him.

    Viper - man, this guy is serious. I've seen him co-cast with T90 and there's very little banter. I do learn a bit from his casting though.

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    Clowns Got Talent announcement

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 08:07 AM PDT

    Clowns Got Talent! - Masters of Arena 6 Silver League

    After the spectacle of the main event, it's time for the rest of world's Arena talent to show what they are capable of. Do you have the sickest monk rushes? Are your castle drops the most dangerous in the game? Or do you have a devastating Fast Imp build order? Then Clown Arena is your place to shine! The event is open to all signups whose highest achieved elo is below 1781, the lowest rating to make it into the qualifiers of MoA6. Players will be divided into two or three single elimination brackets, depending on the number and rating range of the signups.

    Signups are open until 22 August 23:59 GMT.

    Sign up by going to JonSlow's discord and posting (1) your Steam ID, (2) your in-game name and (3) your aoe2.net or aoenexus.com profile to the dedicated 'registration' channel for Clowns Got Talent on JonSlow's discord: https://discord.com/invite/vthRc8T.

    The Rules and Settings are posted in JonSlow's discord under 'Clowns Got Talent'- #announcements. The entire tournament will be run through JonSlow's discord. All information regarding the tournament (brackets, seeding, rules etc. etc.) will be posted there.

    Please read the tournament rules carefully. If you have any questions regarding the rules you can contact the admins Wenegor, A_Red_Raven and Marintho on Discord or ask in the dedicated channel in JonSlow's discord. Let's get ready to clown!

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    Do you like the Aoe2 chat filter?

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 01:38 AM PDT

    Just for the developers to know. If it's popular they should keep it, if not they should remove it imo.

    View Poll

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    Unpopular Opinion:Villager pathfinding issues aren't that big of a deal because they effect everyone the say, so it doesn't hurt the balance of the game.

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 01:20 PM PDT

    Small Easter Egg in "The Lion and the Demon" (Saladin 6th Scenario)

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 11:02 PM PDT

    Evolution of Age of Empires 1997-2021

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 07:03 AM PDT

    Evolution of Age of Empires 1997-2021

    This deserves more attention. I had no idea, how many Age of Empires games and expansion packs I missed. Leave alone the mobile and Nintendo (!) versions, I had never seen.

    Evolution of Age of Empires 1997-2021 - YouTube

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    https://preview.redd.it/7w5fgypalcf71.png?width=612&format=png&auto=webp&s=c0d5c0f8e4f776f85c18b12e0bfd938390760ddc

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    Is it possible to beat Hardest or Extreme AI without rushing?

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 11:25 PM PDT

    Like to wait til you both hit Imperial Age to attack? I can beat them by rushing in Feudal, but I like a game where you boom up to Imp and fight it out with a big army supported by big econ and full research. Was able to beat Hard this way, and I can get to Castle quicker than Hardest does, but once there they boom quicker than I do and attack me sooner.

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    deutscher Age of Empires 2 Discord und 3 und 4

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 07:30 AM PDT

    Hey Guys,

    We are creating a brandnew Discord for Age of Empires 2, 3 and 4, if you are german - feel free to join :-)

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    Du bist noch auf der Suche nach Informationen rund um Age of Empires 2, 3 oder 4 oder hältst einfach nur Ausschau nach netten Mitspielern für ein paar Runden?

    Dann schau doch bei unserer deutschen Age of Empires 4 Discord Community für Deutschland, Österreich und der Schweiz vorbei.

    Egal ob News, Updates, Fragen oder Spielersuche, bei uns findest du was dein Herz begehrt.

    Es erwarten euch ein deutscher Age of Empires 4, 2 und 3 Discord Server

    Eine professionelle Leitung sowie unsere kompetenten Moderatoren, stehen dir auch jederzeit mit Rat und Tat zur Seite.

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    How do you feel about laming ?

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 07:27 AM PDT

    What's wrong with aoe2 spell check?

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 11:43 PM PDT

    Map won't zoom out fully?

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 06:58 AM PDT

    I just bought a new laptop with much better graphics/etc, and noticed that I can't zoom out nearly as far as I could on my older one....is this caused by the Enhanced Graphics add-on somehow? I disabled it but no dice. Any insight would be very much appreciated!

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    AOE 2 Community League - Fantasy PL

    Posted: 04 Aug 2021 02:38 AM PDT

    Hey guys I have made a community league for the upcoming AOE season! It can be hard to find people to play with in a decent sized league so thought I would make one for the upcoming season.

    League Code: 8qlluj

    You do need to input your full name into the game but if you don't feel comfortable doing that you can always make up a name or use your in game name.

    GL HF!

    submitted by /u/paradox909
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    Cheap laptop for DE, only game I play

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 06:28 PM PDT

    Hi all, I'm looking to buy a new windows laptop... aoe2 DE on steam is literally the only game I play. What is something cheap with big, bright screen and just enough power to play the game. The graphics doesn't need to be great because I'm used to playing at 1280*720 so any improvement from there would seem great! Thanks

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