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    Age of Empires II Was looking for food. Found a goose on his own island. He is safe from me.

    August 03, 2021

    Age of Empires II Was looking for food. Found a goose on his own island. He is safe from me.

    Was looking for food. Found a goose on his own island. He is safe from me.

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 01:13 AM PDT

    How is it that time just MELTS away while playing this game? I've played games that are more challenging, more fast paced, more action packed, more beautiful, and yet I just don't get sucked in like I do with this.

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 02:42 AM PDT

    yes, but actually no 11

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 06:18 AM PDT

    Rude

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 10:20 AM PDT

    the ultimate proof that idling is indeed a sin!

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 01:59 AM PDT

    I always go CA instead of Mangudai as Mongols, prove me wrong.

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 12:33 AM PDT

    The difference in the units in castle age isn't massive, and I can easily, even after losing feudal age, have 3 archery ranges built and ready to start churning out CA the second I hit Castle age.

    With a faster castle age time, 8 CA with bodkin at your woodline before your new tech has come in is an opportunity too good to be missed.

    The key to any cavalry archer unit is numbers. There's no way I can have 2 castles up immediately after hitting Castle without tanking the economy necessary to keep up producing at the same rate.

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    Gold Efficiency and Unit Sustainability.

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 02:29 AM PDT

    There seems to be a lot of old wives' tales regarding which units are "expensive" especially as they pertain to gold, which civs can and can't do double gold compositions, etc. I remember seeing claims like:

    • Elephants cost almost as much as knights in gold therefore they are a gold-expensive unit
    • Mamelukes cost 85 gold which is obviously a lot of gold for a unit.
    • Hand cannons cost more gold than archers therefore they consume gold faster.

    So I figured I'd make a table to start investigating at least which units are actually gold expensive and which just seem that way on paper. Hopefully it helps some people clarify their own thinking. Feel free to comment on what was surprising, might be wrong, etc.

    Below is a table with gold costs for AoE2 units sorted by % gold, lower % gold is better for sustainability. These % gold are measured by taking villager second ratios (Time spend mining gold)/(Time spent obtaining all resources) which affects things a lot. It assumes wood is gathered at 30/min, food at 20/min, gold at 27/min. The absolute numbers here don't matter just the ratios. The farming number is derived from my Saracen market post where I calculated the real farming rate taking into account the cost of the farm. Wood rate is from This post.

    Villager time is basically the only meaningful way to look at % Gold IMO. It determines what % of your villagers need to be on gold which means, assuming the number of villagers devoted to military unit production are the same, that it's directly proportional to gold extraction rate. After all it's not like you're counting units as you produce them and spending a fixed amount of gold, you're trying to minimize resource float while you produce a unit. Portuguese numbers are about 0.9x what is displayed on average (though it differs from unit to unit).

    You can also think of it this way: You literally can't spend gold on a unit if you don't have the other resources. Thus the fastest you can spend gold on a unit is by matching villager ratios to the cost ratios. E.g. while Hand Cannons cost 5 more gold, you can't spend the gold without the 45 food and it takes longer to get than 25 wood. Anyway here's the table:

    Unit % Gold
    Magyar Huszar (Corvinian) 0
    Magyar Huszar (no Corvinian) 8.5
    Militia (No supplies) 19.8
    Berserk 22.2
    Woad Raider 22.2
    Militia 24.8
    Throwing Axeman 25.2
    Teutonic Knight 25.8
    War Elephant 27
    Samurai 27
    Kamayuk 27
    Jaguar Warrior 27
    Huskarl 27
    Steppe Lancer 29.7
    Serjeant 30.2
    Battle Elephant 30.2
    Karambit 30.8
    Shotel Warrior 30.8
    Keshik 33.1
    Condottiero 34.1
    Elephant archer 34.1
    Leitis 34.6
    Gbeto 37.2
    Ballista Elephant 37.2
    Kipchak 39.3
    Jannisary 40.4
    War Wagon 42
    Coustillier 42.6
    Tarkan 42.6
    Organ Gun 43.8
    Cataphract 44.2
    Camel 44.7
    Hand Cannon 45.1
    Conquistador 46.4
    Konnik 46.4
    Arambai 47.1
    Knight 48.1
    Mangonel 48.4
    Chu Ko Nu 49.3
    Slinger 49.7
    Genoese Crossbowman 49.7
    Rattan Archer 50
    Bombard Cannon 52.6
    Trebuchet 52.6
    Scorpion 52.6
    Plumed Archer 52.6
    Mameluke 53.4
    Boyar 54.2
    Longbowman 55.9
    Mangudai 56.8
    Camel Archer 57.1
    Cavalry Archer 62.5
    Eagles 64.9
    Archer 66.7

    In order to see how "sustainable" a unit is relative to another unit just divide one by the other. E.g. The Knight-line is a 48.1% gold line and the archer line is a 66.7% gold. This means archers are ~39% more expensive in terms of gold than knights, or knights are ~28% less expensive than archers in terms of gold. Don't interpret this 39% as being able to make knights for 39% longer because economy growth really messes with that metric. Instead view it as being able to spend 39% more villager-time on knights over the game or that knights consume gold at 72% the rate of archers.

    Now differences in upgrade costs can affect certain things but that will have to wait until a different time. Sometimes this is really significant like with scorpions but for many units the difference is only a few hundred gold which, while it affects the ratios noticeably, the approximate point being made still stands for many units. Just keep this in mind I suppose.

    In terms of translating this to combat gold efficiency (CGE) the following formula is for the simple 1 unit vs 1 unit case:

    • %_Gold_A/%_Gold_B x %_Dead_A/%_Dead_B = CGE(A,B)

    This tells you the % more of gold that was lost by unit A compared to unit B in the fight (assuming equal villager seconds spent on production). For example, no supplies militia will consume gold slower but will have fewer numbers, lead to more dead units, and likely lead to an overall increased gold cost even if "on paper" they have a lower gold consumption. The opposite occurs with something like Portuguese monks, you will have 25% more monks which means you can convert more leading to a better outcome even if on paper you still consume at the same rate because its a 100% gold unit. So this is something to be aware of.

    Some Unit notes/analysis:

    • Mameluke, a unit which many many people claim costs too much gold, has a 20% lower gold consumption than producing the archer line given the same number of vills invested in producing both. I would also like to point out that a 50/50 Mameluke/Camel composition is a 49% gold composition, almost identical to the knights at 48%. This is already good but the combat gold efficiency improves this further because the camels are more likely to die than the mamelukes.
    • Berserks while being the most expensive unit to upgrade are basically the most sustainable unit to produce in the game. Needless to say a unit which heals itself is very strong in trash wars. 1 post-imp castle requires a gold income of 143 gold per minute to sustain Berserk production which is 3 relics + 20 farmers (this 20 includes the villagers cutting wood for farms) selling at the non-guild price of 14 gold per 100 food.
    • Woads are just as efficient and 20% faster than Berserks. Don't pass up the opportunity to use them either.
    • War Elephants + Battle Elephants: These are both significantly more gold efficient than knights. In fact you can use 78% and 60% more eco-time producing them than you would knights.
    • Leitis: Yeah, this thing is crazy efficient for what it does
    • All archer UUs have significantly slower gold consumption than the archer line.
    • Hand cannons, due to their food cost, prevent you from spending gold as fast as arbs. They also have very few upgrades which makes it so you can make more of them than one would think.
    • Kipchaks consume gold at 63% the rate that normal cavalry archers do. The unit also costs 0 gold to upgrade. This opens up a lot of freedom regarding double gold to compensate for the lack of eco bonus.

    I fully expect some comments about mid-game food costs making many of these gold efficiencies only look good on paper. Especially for infantry. This might be valid, after all supplies was a huge buff and longswords are still pretty niche. But it still needs to be considered in how it can affect strategy choices.

    Anyway hopefully this table can help people with making tough intertemporal decisions like whether to build double gold compositions, build an early castle for cheaper UUs, mixing units to lower gold costs, etc. As a last note the % gold's value in decision making is predicated on total costs being balanced. It doesn't do much good to have a list of gold efficiencies when the unit's total cost (in villager seconds) might be greatly overpriced. But assuming the developers have gotten reasonably close to the right numbers the table should still help with intertemporal decisions.

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    Give Flemish Militia Spearman Armor

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 06:35 AM PDT

    Just about every archery range unit and ranged UU has a bonus against spearmen. Arbs get +3. CA with parthian tactics have +6. Most UU have +2. The biggest benefit would be skirms who have +3. Right now no trash unit counters Flemish Militia. Having a cheap easy to mass counter could substantially nerf Flemish Revolution. It seems unlikely to me that the devs will remove this tech so another cost increase along with the spearman armor should be a step in the right direction.

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    Is this where I submit my application to become a "pro farmer"?

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 12:23 PM PDT

    I got Arabia while having it banned

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 04:18 AM PDT

    https://aoe2.club/playerprofile/796541

    If you scroll down a bit, you can see a lonely Arabia game

    It might related to the fact that every time I queue for a game, the first time around it drops me (usually with the error message "Polling event")

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    How are drops 'triggered'?

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 02:13 AM PDT

    I just dropped three times in a row. The first and third time, it happened while waiting for the game to start (I already matched), the second time it happened around 10 minutes in.

    I know there's a server maintenance upcoming, so I suspect it has something to do with whatever is going to be updated/maintained, but I still wonder: is there something on my end that's wrong? For example other programs running in the background?

    My internet connection is fine, as far as I can tell.

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    1 gold, no stone RNG on Islands? seems fair....

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 10:33 AM PDT

    Finally beat a campaign

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 04:36 PM PDT

    I got iron maid! I beat the last Joan of Arc mission and it took me a day to do it. I ended up taking out Shrewsbury, then that other Burgundian town. Then from there I built a castle outside the English town across the river and snuck my flag cart in.

    Thanks for the tips from the other day when I was at a loss.

    I posted this

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    Red Bull Wololo 5 - new Teaser!

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 09:20 AM PDT

    Click to repair gate = open gate??? Wtf

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 02:37 AM PDT

    I just lost a dumb arena game where enemy flank went all in on one tc castle age with 40 cavaliers, I was holding so well was just entering imp and was gonna treb his castle but suddenly my vils that went to repair the gate, opened the gate for his dumb army to jump in and ravage my eco

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    What does a 'No Noob' lobby mean to you?

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 06:06 AM PDT

    The opposite of a smurf but they still ruin the game for everyone else the same.

    What's the lowest elo you would think is the cut-off for a no noob game?

    I would have thought a 1v1 elo of at least 1200-1300 would be around the right mark.

    Thoughts?

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    Noob looking for help

    Posted: 03 Aug 2021 12:39 AM PDT

    Hey guys. (German BTW, sorry for bad English) I am not really new to the game, I am playing it since 15 years or something like that. I'm recently in love with the game, coming back after 2 years of hell in league of legends and I want to make aoe 2 my main game now. So I am looking for someone who can teach me a little bit and want to play with me. You can be noob and we getting better together or you can be a teacher for me and show me some tricks.

    Would be really nice to find someone. BTW I am not often using mic so I am more the writing Guy and maybe I find someone who can speak German but I understand English also

    Thx

    Add: TobiMagGernKnobi

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    DLC.

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 06:48 PM PDT

    The dlc forgotten and African kingdoms is that already in the DE if I would have purchased the game last year?

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    Don’t know if anyone knows this, but the remastered soundtracks for 1,2, and 3 are available on Apple Music.

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 09:25 AM PDT

    I’m going to miss you AoeII:DE!

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 12:03 PM PDT

    My computer decided to poop out on me this morning. Some kind of blue screen issue. Sending off for repair under warranty and it's going to take a couple weeks…..that's gonna be a long time to wait to play some age of empires. At least I have Reddit posts and streams to watch lol. Anybody else not able to play our favorite game right now?

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    Why doesn't Parthian Tactics effect Arambai?

    Posted: 02 Aug 2021 04:43 PM PDT

    This game has a fairly complex of armor types and bonus damage against a certain armor class. Like the conquistador the arambai have several armor types including both cavalry and cavalry archer. The game developers decided to prioritize cav archer armor so both units benefit from the archer armor blacksmith upgrades. But not the attack and range upgrades. This makes sense as they aren't using bows. Now Parthian Tactics does give extra attack vs pikemen (+4 regular cav archers, +2 UU cav archers) but it's primary affect is its extra +1/2 armor. Parthian Tactics historically was a battle tactic, a way of false retreats, ambushes, and firing while riding away. It has nothing to do with a bow and arrow weapon system specifically. Burmese already get Parthian Tactics and could use a buff. I don't want to see their xbows or skirms buffed so this would be a good solution. Devs could consider the same for conqs and mamalukes. Both Spanish and Saracens could use help. The problem is Spanish don't get Parthian Tactics. And Saracens do have PA but mamalukes benefit from cavalry blacksmith upgrades. So it's more complicated with those 2 civs. But for Burmese and arambai I feel it's almost a bug that Parthian Tactics doesn't already work on arambi

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