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    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 14 Week 9: Japanese vs Portuguese

    April 14, 2022

    Age of Empires II Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 14 Week 9: Japanese vs Portuguese

    Civilization Match-up Discussion Round 14 Week 9: Japanese vs Portuguese

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 07:11 PM PDT

    The western and eastern reaches of Eurasia! (Also I *almost* forgot to make this post - but it's still Wednesday where I live so I'm all good ;D)

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    Hello and welcome back for another Age of Empires 2 civilization match up discussion! This is a series where we discuss the various advantages, disadvantages, and quirks found within the numerous match ups of the game. The goal is to collectively gain a deeper understanding of how two civilizations interact with each other in a variety of different settings. Feel free to ask questions, pose strategies, or provide insight on how the two civilizations in question interact with each other on any map type and game mode. This is not limited to 1v1 either. Feel free to discuss how the civilizations compare in team games as well! So long as you are talking about how the two civilizations interact, anything is fair game! Last week we discussed the Slavs vs Spanish, and next up is the Japanese vs Portuguese!

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    Japanese: Infantryand Naval civilization

    • Fishing Ships have 2x hp; +0/+2 armor; work +5/10/15/20% faster per Age
    • Mills, Mining Camps, and Lumber Camps cost -50%
    • Infantry attack +33% faster starting in Feudal Age
    • TEAM BONUS: Galleys gain +50% LoS
    • Unique Unit: Samurai (Powerful, fast-attacking infantry with bonus damage vs other UUs)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Yasama (Towers fire 2 additional arrows per attack)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Kataparuto (Trebuchets attack +33% faster; pack/unpack 4x faster)

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    Portuguese: Naval and Gunpowder civililzation

    • All units cost -20% gold
    • Technologies research +30% faster
    • Ships gain +10%
    • Can build Feitoria in the Imperial Age
    • TEAM BONUS: Allied LoS is shared from the start of the game
    • Unique Unit: Organ Gun (Light artillery siege unit)
    • Unique Unit: Caravel (Galley-like warship whose bolts deal pass-through damage)
    • Unique Building: Feitoria (Large structure that costs 20 pop space, but slowly generates an infinite trickle of all resources)
    • Castle Age Unique Tech: Carrack (Ships gain +1/+1 armor)
    • Imperial Age Unique Tech: Arquebus (Gunpowder units better track moving targets)

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    Below are some match up-specific talking points to get you all started. These are just to give people ideas, you do not need to address them specifically if you do not want to!

    • Alrighty, so neither of these civs are exactly considered Arabia powerhouses, although Japanese are probably ranked higher by most high level players. Nevertheless, in this match up, we find Japanese as indeed the faster civilization with the deadly M@A rush and cheap drop off sites, but they lack any real powerful eco or even military bonus for much of the rest of the game. Meanwhile, Portuguese are going to be slower to get going, but the possess a very broad tech tree with plenty of deadly late game options. So, which civ do you prefer in your classic 1v1 Arabia games?
    • On closed maps, I assume most people would favor the lategame strength of the Portuguese. So, let's talk about water maps, where both of these civs are major powerhouses! Japanese have an incredibly solid early game with their wood savings, and their Fishing Ships can better survive early aggression. This can help them win water early, and then snowball that advantage with their fish boom. Meanwhile, Portuguese are kinda the opposite. They have little-to-no economic advantage early on, and instead have to rely on their tougher and cheaper war ships to get them through to late game. There, they can use the power of Feitorias to outlast the Japanese player (although remember that Japanese get Shipwright and Portuguese do not). So, which civ do you favor on the high seas?
    • In team games, both of these civs prefer the flank position on pretty much any open map. They both possess solid archer plays with fully upgraded Arbalests, but neither have much of an eco bonus throughout the game. That said, Japanese can push in the late game with Yasama Keeps, Kataparuto trebs, strong infantry, and ranged options. On the other hand, Portuguese have their doom push of gunpowder units and Bombard Towers. Which civ do you find to be the better flank in team games?

    Thank you as always for participating! Next week we will continue our discussions with the Goths vs Incas. Hope to see you there! :)

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    Previous discussions: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5

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    [Spoiler & Speculation] All Porto DLC secrets deciphered

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 07:31 PM PDT

    Wait, they don't love you like I love you

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 10:28 AM PDT

    porto super secret

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 05:55 PM PDT

    What do you think this building is, guys?

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 06:40 PM PDT

    "Porto Super Secret" Revealed!

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 06:01 PM PDT

    https://www.ageofempires.com/news/porto-super-secret/

    Three more campaigns!

    The campaigns are blurred out, but we can confirm that we at least have 2+ new civs

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    The Hoang Song, Hoang Opened this while in a Ranked Game!

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 09:58 PM PDT

    [Speculation] Cavanserai - new building

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 08:09 PM PDT

    So I've been seeing posts here about the new building possibly being a Cavanserai. Since we know they were like motels built along the silk route, what if this a building that generates passive income whenever a trade cart passes in its radius of effect? Imagine building these in your trade line and they generate extra gold just by having trade carts pass through their area of effect. Additionally, trade carts passing through their area could also be healed or get bonus gold by staying in the area of effect of the Cavanserai.

    What do you guys think?

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    This how we roll

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 04:18 PM PDT

    A New puzzle is here!

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 05:02 PM PDT

    When is Porto DLC going to be released

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 06:14 PM PDT

    Any idea when the porto DLC is going to be released? Really excited to try the campaigns :)

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    [Youtube - T90official] - The "Official" AoE2 Roadmap

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 10:49 AM PDT

    [spoiler] New building

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 06:12 PM PDT

    The Grand Dukes campaign :(

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 11:09 AM PDT

    I just killed Joan of Arc in de Grand Dukes campaign, surely more of you were sad afterwards? It is new to me that aoe2 can even make you feel sad:(

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    Double the trouble

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 12:02 PM PDT

    Age of empires 2 lagging, need help.

    Posted: 14 Apr 2022 01:04 AM PDT

    Just so you know, this isn't any fancy definitive or hd edition of aoe 2, this is the 1997 version A K A aoe 2's first version. It's not lag to the point where it's unplayable. It's just slow uncomfortable lag. Please help. OS: windows XP, RAM: 2.46 gigabytes

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    fast village defense how do you move between towers?

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 09:10 PM PDT

    Are there more COOP campaigns on the way?

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 11:10 AM PDT

    Just played all of them and I loved it a lot. Are there more planned or announced?

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    And by the way, have you guys played any good coop custom campaign, and would like to recommend?

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    Explanations why relics give gold

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 02:50 PM PDT

    No meme today, just a link.I found an interesting channel today and what I present to you is an explanation why relics were great for bussiness in the medieval period (guess the earlier medieval in this case).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_UHGAHiLa4

    Have a good one folks.

    BTW the chanell is called SideQuest.

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    What is aoe2's best campaign?

    Posted: 13 Apr 2022 08:41 PM PDT

    Was curious what campaign in aoe2 is the favorite, so I decided to have some fun and put up a series of polls to do a sort of tournament to find the best campaign of the best game. We'll start with Age of Kings. The legendary classics that we all know and love. Discuss below

    View Poll

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