Age of Empires II Medieval Monday: Ask Your Questions and Get Your Answers

Medieval Monday: Ask Your Questions and Get Your Answers
This always makes me sad
Vil Resource Pathing is Better on DE than Voobly (with Evidence)
Who misses Obsidian Arrows?
I pussy out most of the time right before clicking the "Find Match" button.
Can't believe the winner of RBW3 was the person who forgot to register for the 1st set of qualifiers, 11
himfw posting on aoe2 social media today
Anyone against renaming Slavs as Rus?
Just tried Moderate AI 1v1 for the first time. Just keep practicing low ELO/Newbs!
Huns are overrated. Change my mind
Best strats for magyars
Genghis Khan campaign 4
Name a more iconic duo
Bohemians civ V1
Atahualpa Custom Campaign
Civ idea: Siege Focused Civilization v1.1
Trying out DE for the first time - Why is the minimap all gray?
After resigning because i got lamed, this is the message i got. The Ladder is getting more and more frustrating, laming and insults happen in most games nowadays. (around 18xx elo)
General user-interface improvements to AOE2 DE
Help! Problems with custom campaigns, only first level shows up
went from the guy who resigns immediately after seeing knight rush to the guy who does the knight rushing (I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!)

Medieval Monday: Ask Your Questions and Get Your Answers

Posted: 03 May 2021 04:00 AM PDT

Time for another weekly round of questions.

Talk about everything from build orders to advanced strategies.

Whatever your questions, the community is here to answer them.

So ask away!

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This always makes me sad

Posted: 02 May 2021 12:07 PM PDT

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Vil Resource Pathing is Better on DE than Voobly (with Evidence)

Posted: 03 May 2021 02:55 AM PDT

I see a lot of discussion about the pathing in DE and vils bumping and getting stuck. Whilst DE is not without its flaws, I've always been of the opinion that many of these issues are somewhat exaggerated, and that Voobly had similar issues in these areas, so I've run some tests to compare vil gathering rates across the two platforms.

Caveat: Just because something is better in DE than Voobly, doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't still be fixed. This is in response to claims that these issues are DE specific, rather than a rebuttal to the point that pathing should be improved. Also this is specific to vil pathing whilst gathering. Unit pathing more generally is not covered here.

Tests I ran two tests, one on gold, one on wood. The gold test was a repeat of Spirit of the Laws test seen in this video https://youtu.be/jJkAs7id-vc?t=140, with 24 vils round a two tile gold. The wood test was 12 vils to one lumber camp.

Gold Results (3 Tests, 3 mins each)

Average gold collected on DE: 836

Average gold collected on Voobly: 714

Wood Results (3 Tests, 3 mins each)

Average wood collected on DE: 754

Average wood collected on Voobly: 632

Notes

Based on the evidence here, vil pathing is significantly improved in DE compared with Voobly.
The amount of res collected in my tests is substantially lower than in Spirit of the Law's. This is true across both DE and Voobly (he tested on HD not Voobly though). Possible explanations here are: a. Gold mining upgrades were used in his tests b. DE pathing has got worse since he tested in September 2020. c. Voobly pathing is worse than HD pathing.

Given the numbers are lower across both and I'm sceptical that Voobly results would be notably worse than HD results I suspect a) is the case but it could be a combination of things going on here.

Watching the tests visually the general conclusion I formed was that DE pathing is better on average but slightly more variable. The vils seem to bump less often and for less time, but when they do get stuck they can get stuck for a long time, leading to the infamous disco dancing. In essence this means that DE pathing looks worse even though it's better - generally better pathing is not very noticeable, whereas two vils getting stuck on each other for a full minute is.

There's much more to explore here, this was a very quick test and I'd welcome input from anyone with the patience to carry out some more in-depth tests.

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Who misses Obsidian Arrows?

Posted: 03 May 2021 12:45 AM PDT

Do you think siege archers is unique, or stupid?

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I pussy out most of the time right before clicking the "Find Match" button.

Posted: 03 May 2021 06:56 AM PDT

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Can't believe the winner of RBW3 was the person who forgot to register for the 1st set of qualifiers, 11

Posted: 03 May 2021 07:19 AM PDT

As you remember, there were 2 set of qualifiers, one on 2-3 January and the other on 9-10 January. Nothing to much to add here.

All Hail Lord DauT!!

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himfw posting on aoe2 social media today

Posted: 02 May 2021 03:25 PM PDT

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Anyone against renaming Slavs as Rus?

Posted: 02 May 2021 08:59 PM PDT

I've only seen universal approval of this, but are there any people against this?

Like should Dawn of the Dukes take the chance to rename Slavs as Rus. Also, would this be a bad precedent? I know AOE 3 DE renamed some of the native civs to be more historically accurate.

Curious...

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Just tried Moderate AI 1v1 for the first time. Just keep practicing low ELO/Newbs!

Posted: 03 May 2021 04:01 AM PDT

Uhh. Yeah, ok haha. I normally mess around with build orders against AI team matches. Previously, Moderate was a problem for me. As I've won a few ~900+ elo ranked games lately, I decided to check it out.

Played Khmer, Arena, Archer into Ballista. Feudal at 9:30, small archer push, castle age at 19:30, dropped 2 forward castles, match won at 28:30 with Ballista, a few Rams, and a stupid amount of Archer. Under 1 minute idle TC (1 TC, knew another wouldn't be needed. Never saw a push at my base due to early woodline harassment, had 2 forward ranges real early on. Picked off 7 vils before 12 minutes.

I... used to find Moderate HARD. Like, really hard. Like, if I held off past their vil cap I could win but that was rare.

Probably gunna try Hard tonight. Feel like I'll win that too.

Had the resources I needed when I needed them, fully set up on farms (used to move berries to wood to get farms going ugh), grabbed blacksmith upgrades at the start of each age. Had ALL relics by 25 or so.

Just because you feel like a terrible player doesn't mean you aren't making progress... keep it up. If this idiot can do it, you can too!

Motivation Monday haha.

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Huns are overrated. Change my mind

Posted: 03 May 2021 03:48 AM PDT

I see so many aoe beginners just picking huns

every single game, and I ask myself why??

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Best strats for magyars

Posted: 03 May 2021 06:44 AM PDT

I think I am going to try Magyars today. Any tips? I am an intermediate player

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Genghis Khan campaign 4

Posted: 02 May 2021 10:01 PM PDT

In Genghis Khan campaign 4, Persian king has to be assassinated first, if that objective fails, it is said that persian army will be stronger. So what are the benefits received by Persian army(as in upgrades) if the objective fails?

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Name a more iconic duo

Posted: 02 May 2021 05:46 PM PDT

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Bohemians civ V1

Posted: 03 May 2021 06:49 AM PDT

Bohemians

Gunpowder and defensive civilisation

Gunpowder units +1/2 armour; +5 bonus damage vs infantry
Monks 20% cheaper
Military buildings +25% hp
Cavalry +5 attack vs buildings

Unique Unit: Wagon forts(80 wood 70 gold)

A powerful defensive unit that must be set up like a Trebuchet. Fires multiple different projectiles.

Stats:

2 arrows and 1 bullet/3 arrows 2 bullets
3/4 attack per arrow(70/75% accurate), 7/8 attack per bullet(60/70% accurate) only the bullets do the bonus damage vs cavalry

+2/3(+7/8 with Wagenburgs) vs cavalry

130/160 hp
(unpacked) 2/3, 4/4. (packed) 1/1, 1/2 armour
6/7 range
1.2 speed
Takes 15 seconds to pack/unpack
Elite is 1000 wood 700 gold

Unique Technologies:

Wagenburgs: Wagon forts and gunpowder units +5 vs cavalry (550 wood 350 gold)
Howitzer: Gunpowder units fire multiple projectles (each only does half damage) (800 food 600 gold)

Team bonus: Relics generate gold for allies (10 gold/min)

Missing technologies:

Barracks: Champion, squires

Archery range: Heavy cav archer, parthian tactics

Stable: Paladin,Husbandry, Camels, elephants, steppe lancers

Siege Workshop: Siege ram, heavy scorpion

Blacksmith: Blast Furnace

Castle: Sappers

University: Arrowslits, Keep, Heated shot

Monastery:

Docks: Galleon, Fast fire ships, heavy demo ships, shipwright, Carrening

Economy: Stone shaft mining, crop rotation

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Atahualpa Custom Campaign

Posted: 03 May 2021 06:43 AM PDT

Should the player be Inca or Spanish?

If the player is Inca, I'm afraid they may be very ill equipped against the Spanish, because the military are not as great as Aztec and Maya ones.

As for Spanish, wouldn't it be too easy, since conqs, bombard cannons and Paladins can wreck almost anything?

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Civ idea: Siege Focused Civilization v1.1

Posted: 02 May 2021 07:41 PM PDT

DISCLAIMER: I'm still rusty to AoE2, bear with me. This is mostly for fun.

So, after getting some feedback, I've reworked the idea for a siege-focused civilization. ( https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/n0kj8d/civ_idea_siege_focused_civilization_v10/ )

Overview:

Swedes(?):

Siege Civilization

Economic buildings (besides town centers), support +5 population, and have a +1 drop-off radius

Siege Units can be healed by Monks (at 60% rate)

Suicide units (petard, demolition ship) have a -60% build time, and benefit from blacksmith techs

Siege Workshops cost -100 wood

Arson & Sappers available in Feudal age (via Barracks & Town Center, respectively)

Unique Units:

Thunder Bomber--ranged infantry, armed with staff sling, and explosives. Inaccurate, but has splash damage. Counts as a siege unit, and deals bonus damage to walls, towers, castles, and archers. (Somewhat similar to Grenadier from AoE3, and Slingers from AoE1)

Saboteur: Upgrade of petard.

Team Bonus:

Repair costs reduced by 60%

Unique Techs:

Castle--Siegecraft: Castle units can be produced at siege workshop.

Imperial--Shrapnel: Siege Units deal +50% damage to units

Imperial--Salvo: Siege weapons have better accuracy, and move faster

Imperial--Barrage: Onagers, Scorpions, Bombards, and ships deal greater bonus damage to buildings

TECH TREE:

Barracks:

Militia line capped at 2-handed swordsman
Full access to halberdiers
No Eagle Warriors
Full access to all techs

Archery Range:

Full access to Arbalest
Full access to Elite Skirmisher
Cavalry Archer capped at base
Access to hand cannoneer
Access to Thumb Ring
No Parthian Tactics

Stables:

Cavalry units capped at Light Cavalry & Cavalier
No Camels, Battle Elephants, or Steppe Lancers
Access to Bloodlines
No Husbandry

Blacksmith:

Full access to Ring Archer Armor, Bracer, Blast Furnace, and Plate Infantry Armor
Cavalry armor capped at Chainmail

Siege Workshop:

Full access to all conventional siege units
After researching Siegecraft, castle units can be built at Siege Workshop

Docks:

Full access to galleon, heavy demo ship, and cannon galleon
Fire ship capped
Full access to Dry Docks
No access to Shipwright

University:

Access to Masonry, without Architecture
No access to Fortified Wall
Full access to Chemistry and Bombard Tower
Full access to Ballistics & Siege Engineers
Towers capped at Guard Towers
Access to Murder Holes, Heated Shot, and Arrow slits
No access to Treadmill crane

Castle:

Access to everything
Sappers possibly available in Castle age from here, if we go with it being available in Feudal age, from Town Center
Petards would be upgraded into saboteurs in the castle, just as Thunder Bombers, and the upgrade would be above-average, in cost.

Town Center:

Full access to Everything

Monastery:

Access to all techs, except for Fervor, Sanctity, and Atonement

Mining Camp:

Access to all techs, except for Stone Shaft Mining

Lumber Camp:

Full access to Two-Man Saw

Market:

No access to Guilds

Mill:

Upgrades capped to Heavy Plow

CONCLUSION:

So, what do you guys think? Is it unbalanced? Most likely. Could it be interesting? Any ideas to fine-tune it? And would it be different enough in gameplay, to be its own thing?

And even if you don't like this idea, please let me know! I genuinely want constructive criticism!

Feedback always appreciated!

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Trying out DE for the first time - Why is the minimap all gray?

Posted: 02 May 2021 02:31 PM PDT

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After resigning because i got lamed, this is the message i got. The Ladder is getting more and more frustrating, laming and insults happen in most games nowadays. (around 18xx elo)

Posted: 03 May 2021 04:23 AM PDT

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General user-interface improvements to AOE2 DE

Posted: 02 May 2021 11:32 AM PDT

There are a handful of menu and user interface improvements that I feel DE desperately needs.

1) There are too many buttons to press and menu layers to navigate. I'm hoping that the quick play menu will eventually be implemented as a replacement for the current ranked and custom lobby interface.

2) You should not have to re-invite your friends to a party after every game or after every failed attempt to join a match. This one is self-explanatory.

3) You should be able to sort spectatable games by ELO. I personally greatly enjoy watching random high-level 1v1s in the spectator client, but it needs to be easier to filter them out from the rest.

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Help! Problems with custom campaigns, only first level shows up

Posted: 03 May 2021 03:47 AM PDT

I'm playing DE, and everything seems fine, I can enter the first level fine, but when I complete it the second one doesn't show up :(

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went from the guy who resigns immediately after seeing knight rush to the guy who does the knight rushing (I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!)

Posted: 02 May 2021 09:58 AM PDT